Template talk:GO Transit

Union Pearson Express

Should Union Pearson Express really be in this template? My understanding is that it's a separate operating division under Metrolinx, much as GO Transit is. Mackensen (talk) 20:54, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

I was originally separate but they found that it was more convenient to integrate the service with GO Transit. Secondarywaltz (talk) 21:07, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

@Secondarywaltz: The situation is confusing. Our own articles contradict that (see Metrolinx and Union Pearson Express); the UPE website doesn't mention GO Transit, and the GO Transit system map shows UPE, but in a manner which suggests a separate service (asterisk about fares, separate symbols). It doesn't appear to be in the GO Transit trip planner either. I do think for ease of use this template should show all the heavy rail services in the Toronto area, but it might need to be re-titled. Mackensen (talk) 15:16, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

@Mackensen: you say "GO Transit system map shows UPE" which verifies that it is part of the GO Transit system. Don't waste your time picking at this. Secondarywaltz (talk) 18:31, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't think one can say that with any degree of confidence, but I'll let it drop. Note that the article space contradicts this assertion. Mackensen (talk) 20:08, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

I'll chime in and say that GO Transit and UPX are both 'operations' of Metrolinx; they were lumped together after the president of UPX (standalone) resigned. As for having separate navboxes, I think I originally made the separate one, and was in support of leaving it. But someone merged them after the internal shakeup, and I pick my hills to die on. --Natural R_X 13:53, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Template change

@Blaixx: My recent edit avoids direct calls to {{GO Transit stations}} and {{GO Transit color}}. {{Adjacent stations}} is replacing s-line; the new generic templates I used support both traditional s-line templates and the newer Adjacent stations LUA modules. There should be no change in output, but the template is future-proofed. Mackensen (talk) 02:31, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

I'll self revert then. Just out of curiosity, why is s-rail being phased out? Is it just to consolidate templates; so each transport system doesn't require 4 unique templates? Was there a discussion that lead to the creation of this new module that you could link me to? Thanks for your comment. BLAIXX 12:48, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, consolidating four (plus however many sub-templates of s-line a system might have) into a single LUA module. I think most of the relevant discussion is at Template talk:Adjacent stations. I was skeptical at first, but I've found that it's pretty easy to work with and improves on s-rail in a number of ways. Mackensen (talk) 12:59, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Closed/cancelled stations

User 50.101.95.191 deleted York University from the Barrie line template entry after the station closed. However, the cancelled, proposed Lawrence–Kennedy GO Station still appears for the Stouffville line. The questions are:

1. How should we present closed and cancelled stations in the template? The dagger represents a new station, a double dagger a pilot station; thus, what symbol should we use for a closed or cancelled station?
2. The York University GO Station still references the template. Is there a rule that says one cannot delete a template link to an article that uses that template?

@Blaixx and Joeyconnick: Please comment. TheTrolleyPole (talk) 22:40, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Maybe those stations could be added to a new row? Adding a third symbol might get confusing? As for point 2, WP:BIDIRECTIONAL states that every article that contains a navbox should generally appear as a link in that navbox. BLAIXX 23:37, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Alternatively, we change the meanings of the daggers. A single dagger (death symbol) would mean a former station including a formerly proposed station. Double dagger would still mean a pilot station. Name in italics means a proposed station regardless of whether the proposal is active or cancelled. With this suggestion, stations are still listed in geographical order. TheTrolleyPole (talk) 00:50, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

rejected suggestion: † denotes a former station; ‡ denotes pilot service; name in italics denotes a future station

Proposed stations that have been cancelled should not be included... closed stations ought to be separated out. Or better yet, a separate template with cancelled and closed stations, this one with active and future (future possible, not proposed but then cancelled). So basically {{GO Transit closed stations and cancelled proposals}} (or something like that). As Blaixx mentions, too many different designations in one navbox is going to get confusing fast.

Also, italics alone is not enough to designate a separate status, because that's a style-only alteration and fails WP:ACCESS, so we couldn't use italics on its own to denote future stations.

As for WP:BIDI, I'm seeing a lot of pushback to the "include every navbox that links to an article", at least in the film & TV space... which is to say, people are leaning more on the "generally" because of navbox overproliferation. So if we did go with a second template, and we did link all the GO Transit lines within it, I would propose we didn't include that navbox in each line's article (each closed or cancelled station's article, sure, but the Barrie line doesn't need both navboxes if some of its stations have closed or some proposed stations never materialized, for instance). —Joeyconnick (talk) 06:36, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I have added an extra row and labelled it "Former station sites" with Lawrence–Kennedy and York University as entries. I hope that this is compatible with user:Blaixx's suggestion and user:Joeyconnick comments. I feel hesitant to create a separate template containing only two links. TheTrolleyPole (talk) 19:24, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh there's only two? Okay, yeah, a separate row seems fine to me in that case. —Joeyconnick (talk) 03:11, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Addition of brand colours

I have added GO Transit's signature green colour and a background grey (taken directly from GO's website) to the navbox to help with recognition and visual appeal. This follows similar convention seen in examples such as Template:Caltrain and Template:Amtrak. RapidDweller (talk) 01:43, 18 March 2026 (UTC)