Datadog prices are out of this world. I assumed their front facing prices were for the lone dev, so when I reached out as a company looking to integrate multiple of their products I expected a deal, and got very little compromise. I told them up front they were going to have to cut prices by 90% for us to consider them -- no budge. And they are pretty belligerent salesman, not wanting to leave me alone. After a while I just blocked their domain to my email.
1. use Datadog, because it gets you a bunch of stuff without having to really set it up, like anomaly detection, which is poor man's monitoring & alerting
2. once you start getting product-market fit and the number of instances you run grows you notice your monthly bill going crazier and crazier and you now have something that starts to resemble an ops team -> migrate to a different product, set up proper monitoring
Right, the monitoring cost with datadog of my little business would be 7 figures (and revenue is only 7 figures!!) I mean, I guess they want to exclude people like me.. but then why market to me?
You should check out SigNoz (https://github.com/SigNoz/signoz) - It's an open source alternative to DataDog with metrics, traces and logs in a single application. You can just self host it yourself or try the hosted version.
I'm not familiar with pricing but depending on alternatives maybe this isn't so bad?
> and you now have something that starts to resemble an ops team
Like what if Datadog just replaces your ops team completely? What if we start to see AI tools that do cost a lot of money but they can replace a team? Just curious.
Datadog does one part of an ops team, even if it could do all functions of an ops team I would make convincing arguments about your sovereignty of fixing your issues and being resistant to price gouging
(Disclaimer: I work at Chronosphere, a Datadog competitor) This is a big issue in the observability space. We have written a few blog posts on this, but basically it’s easy to fall into a trap where cardinality and high dimensional monitoring causes your metrics to pop, causing costs to skyrocket. You have a few experiments, are running a bunch of smaller k8s pods per cluster and whoosh! you might be looking at millions, rather than thousands of time series that you're sending to your provider. Most vendors won’t provide tooling or suggest ways to reduce these costs, b/c they have no economic incentive to do so…. Anyway, bottom line is that no one should have to pay more to observe a service than to operate it.
Also: it’s 2023. Every company needs to be getting compatible with open standards like OpenTelemetry, Prometheus, etc.
Was Datadog pricing per-host? If so, then I guess running a Kubernetes cluster using the biggest available instances is the most "modern" solution to Datadog-using infrastructure.
It is mainly per host $15 or $23 PCM with the first 5-10 containers free then $0.002 per hour (~$1.5 PCM) per container. The insight and stats you get are quite granular and valuable however. For large scale deployments you can ignore certain containers etc.
Just wait until they find your wife's phone number. (OK, this wasn't datadog, but some similarly aggressive headhunting agency went from calling me to calling my wife - who is in no way affiliated with my company - to ask her if she could tell me about how they could help me in hiring, yadda yadda.)
I had something similar happen with a Facebook recruiter. I didn't reply to her first two emails so she started emailing my mom to try to get in touch with me. My mom called me because she thought it was a phishing email. I had never had that happen before.
I have started invoicing companies for wasting my time and also threatening them with CAN-SPAM complaints for failing to include an opt-out, an actual mailing address, etc.
Then, when my invoice isn’t paid, I threaten collections on them personally and the company. Usually that solves it. Then I’m “such a dick” but highly effective in recovering my time.
Back in the days when this kind of thing happened on the telephone, the SERIOUSLY passive aggressive trick was to talk to them, and then hang up on yourself. Repeatedly.
"Hi this is Arnie from CHewemup'n'Spitemout Staffing, is this Bob?"
"Hey Arnie, what perfect timing! I just started looking for a new opportunity, and I'm really excited to— CLICK."
Ring ring.
"This is Arnie, we seem to have been cut off."
"Oh Arnie, right, thought you hung up on me."
"No, not me, must be a bad connection. You were saying?"
"Yes, I was saying this is a great time to talk about opportunities. I just finished a major Java Enterprise JavaBeans project, and I'm— CLICK."
Lather, rinse, repeat, as the meme used to go before we called them memes.
oh man, that's great-- you could probably get through a LOTT more CLICKs before they get the point. what a great use of human psychology-- they assume you have good intentions because you called them... it's a bit devious, but i'm gonna have to add that one to the toolbox hahaha.
Ive worked in sales for over 10 years. Incel is a weird insult for salespeople, as I've never met a group of people that sleeps around more than salespeople. I spent years selling cars even, and if you bring a gf or wife you're having trouble with to go car shopping... Odds of her later sleeping with the car salesman are not zero to put it mildly.
Nowadays, incel is synonymous with the Andrew Tate “top g”/alpha sex obsession. Backwards? Definitely, but more symbolic of the arrested development/lack of maturity than the lack of sex.
Sleeping with others’ significant others, or actively trying to/bragging about it is a perfect example. Low-class behavior that will get you props from low-class folks.
No one, or atleast very few, were sleeping with someone's significant other. Who wants to do that and then be a sitting duck at work where the angry bf/husband can walk in and see you any moment. When the women are ready to leave the bfs, that's when they contact the salesperson. I've seen it happen atleast 10 times, 2 to me personally. Even dated that nightmare for 2 years once.
But go ahead and label everything you misconstrued as low class.
I've certainly heard that fans of Andrew Tate are incels, or that their world view and advice is built for incels, but I've not heard of many people calling Andrew Tate himself an incel.
I'm far from an incel (thank you height and sales skills), but I've been around the 'manosphere' online even since early "Ladder Theory" and before pickup artists learned how to internet market.
Reality is some guys are not genetically blessed PLUS they have been lied to when it comes to what women really want. If you take an average real incel, and give him advice from his mother+sister+female friends, and advice from Andrew Tate, I promise you he will get further with Andrew Tates advice.
His mom's advice MIGHT get him a girlfriend that uses him for money, and divorced later in life.. andrew Tate will atleast tell him to get actually attractive through working out and performance at work/business.
I was never sure of what exactly Datadog did, so I looked at their pricing. At first, I thought "$23/month/host isn't THAT bad...", then notice that was only for one product.
If you used their full suite, those costs could REALLY add up.
Especially when you're realize that the billing features have been turned up to 11 on turn-key rollout. Sampling set at 100%, gosh that's expensive right out of the box, but no accident.
This is the company that released synthetic API checks at like 100X the price of Pingdom checks. Ended up using their free Pingdom integration to pull in the check data..
The best way to deal with them is to never engage with their sales team. Use what you need, don’t let them talk you into more.
Every year, I get a barrage of phone calls and emails from them, and I actively choose to not engage.
Pricing has remained pretty much flat aside from the expected growth. They work hard to get you to overcommit and overpay.
Also, you don’t need all your logs indexed. Saved a company I’m under contract with a massive amount of money (10s of thousands/month) by pointing out that you should just index (sample) a percentage of them to identify if there is a trend, and you can rehydrate later.
Sentry is python and has extremely reasonable costs (and you can even self-host it).
Honestly if you want to complain at the cost of hosting (which, we don't know if they would) then licensing the software and allowing people to self-host would be the solution.
$65M is enough that I could fund a team running google's monarch system for 7-8 years.
